Speaker: A lot of people think to be good and art and design you need to be good at drawing and painting but this isn't always the case. Collage is a great example of a different way of making art.

JOE:'Today's Dengineer is nine-year-old Ocean from Essex.' OCEAN:I need help from the Dengineers because I love to design and make marble runs and rollercoasters but I don't have the space to do it.